Mystery Foto #43 Solved: A Pope-Toledo Touring Car at the East Norwich Turn on the 1906 Course
Did you identify this location on the 1906 course?
Identify;
- Location/roads and orientation of the photographer
Looking east on North Hempstead Turnpike (Northern Boulevard/25A) at the intersection of Jericho-Oyster Bay Road (106) in East Norwich
- Beside the 1906 race, what other year did the course include this turn?
1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race
- Who owned the general store in the foreground at the extreme right?
McQueen's Store is to the extreme right with another store owned by W.F. Johnson on the opposite corner
Kudos: Currently unidentified, what is the year and make of the touring car in the photo?
Comments have confirmed speculation that the car is a 1905/06 Pope-Toledo
Comments (8)
Congrats to Joseph Osterle, David Miller, Steve Lucas, and Mark Schaier for identifying the 1905/1906 East Norwich Turn.
Kudos to Manny Dragone, David Miller, Dean Zwickerand Ariejan Bos for recognizing the 1905/1906 Pope Toledo.
Enjoy,
Greg O. & Howard Kroplick
Closeups
1905/1906 Pope Toledo
Comments
I have only been looking at this photo for seconds. My instincts tell me this is most likely the turn at East Norwich. Coming north on what is today Route 106. Turning west onto 25A.
The photographer is facing east at the intersection of North Hempstead turnpike (25a) and Jericho-Oysterbay road (route 106). This intersection was part of both the 1906 and 1905 races. The store on the right was McQueen’s store. I’m still working on the make of the touring car. I’ll post again if I figure it out.
Pope Toledo. 1905 or 1906
I’m finally adding my guess on the touring car now. I’m gonna say its a 1906 Pope Toledo type XII. Can anyone post to a picture to help corroborate this? My research matches the lights, grille, steering wheel, and upholstery to this touring car in the picture with the Pope Toledo. So many different makes during this time though. I could be wrong.
We are looking east on North Hempstead Turnpike (route 25A or Northern Blvd) in East Norwich at the intersection with the Jericho - Oyster Bay Road (today’s route 106). This location was also part of the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup course. The store on the right (S/W corner) was owned by Mr. McQueen. Across the street on the S/E corner was W. F. Johnson’s store. Since I have no idea what car that is, I’ll take three guesses: Peerless; Ford Model B; or Packard Model N.
The Mystery Car looks a lot like a 1906 Pope Toledo.
From Aug.18 2012: The East Norwich Turn of the Vanderbilt Cup Races.
Location/roads:
The north-east corner intersection of Jericho-Oyster Bay Road (106) and Main St./ North Hempstead Turnpike (25A).
The races times:
1905 & 1906.
The General Stores:
Foreground is W.F. Johnson, extreme right is McQueen’s.
The Brass Era Auto, unknown?
I only go for the kudos: the car is a 1905 or 1906 Pope-Toledo. The car can be seen on more photos of VC the 1906 course, present in the Detroit Public Library automotive archive.