Vanderbilt Cup Races

Franklin

-Identify the location of the Mystery Foto and the orientation of the photographer. Provide a rationale. Hint: Amazing “Then & Now”  images will be posted on Monday night.
Looking North up Lakeville Road in Great Neck/Lake Success at the entrance to the GN lodge
-If possible, relate this location to the Vanderbilt Cup Races.
A few connections. Lakeville Rd part of the 1905 course. Willie K’s Deepdale is to the left.  Down the road and on the left is the location of Maple Cottage, HQ for the Locomobile team in 1905 and 1906.
-Identify the automobile and relate it to Tucker 1044.
Guessing a Renault by the engine cover. Relation may have to do with recent sale of the Renault Vanderbilt Race car, but all just guesses without research.
-When was the Mystery Foto likely taken?
Another guess here, but maybe sometime around 1910

Hmmmm.  Not so easy this one is. 
I say it is NOT Rosyln, Meadowbrook or Mineola, no bend in road.
I say it is NOT Garden City or Bethpage,  we would see the bridge.
I say it is NOT Huntington, we would see the trolly tracks. 
It looks nothing like Massapequa. 

I am going with Great Neck.  Looking north on Lakeville Rd.  The bridge would be just behind the person with the camera.

-joe o

Almost certain Lakeville Rd, Lake Success, looking north at the uphill left curve. Willie K’s Deepdale Estate main entrance (Lake Rd) intersecting at the curve (map link below). Looks like a 1914 Franklin model M. Lakeville Rd bridge built 2 years earlier just behind the photographer. Curious to know if the iron fence ran the entire perimeter of the huge estate.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1396j0_672hYkvbcNFJInbc1mXNJspD9f&ll=40.76242863058968,-73.70533662474782&z=17

Great Neck Lodge entrance

Mystery Foto #16… The automobile in the Mystery Foto is a 1911 Franklin Model D Torpedo Phaeton. The Franklin company made engines that were used in modified form in the Tucker 1044. And like this Franklin car the Tucker car was originally called a Torpedo.
Photo likely taken 1911 or 1912.

Looking north on Lakeville road with the motor parkway entrance on the right and the iron fence of Vanderbilt’s Lake Success home on the left. Interesting note there are still pieces of this fence still on the ground where they fell when removed.

The car is without doubt a Franklin , built in Syracuse, NY from 1902 thru 1934.
Year is 1911-13 had to tell from the angle of the photograph, and it is a 4 cylinder - model G or D.  Interestingly enough the Franklin car has a very strong connection to the Tucker - can anyone reading this tell us what that is?

*Location & Orientation of Photographer:  Lakeville Rd, Lake Success NY. Photographer was facing north. The road seen on the east is the entrance leading to the Great Neck Lodge. No reasoning, just my best guess. The lodge sign seen helps, too. I also notice a fire hydrant at the corner of the entrance rd. It’s pointed out in the submitted photos below.

*Relation to the VCR:  This section of Lakeville Rd was part of the 1905 VCR course.

*Automobile:  Renault 1908-1914

*Image date:  This may be around the time when the LIMP terminated just before Lakeville Rd. ( Pkwy was barricaded while road construction was underway to the west ). LIMP isn’t in this image because it’s just south of the photographer. I’ll say 1910.

Based on the sun’s shadow under the car, I believe the photographer was facing north. Assuming the license plate to be New York, the date is probably 1914 or 1915. So which LIMP entrance would be on the east side of a road in 1914 or 1915? The only one I could think of would be the Great Neck Lodge on Lakeville Road and with the substantial fencing across the street, could we be looking at Willie K.‘s Deepdale estate boundary? This section of Lakeville Road was part of the course for the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race and very close to the 1906 course. As for the car, I’ll await the answer from the brass era experts.

Identify the location of the Mystery Foto and the orientation of the photographer. Provide a rationale. Hints: Amazing “Then & Now”  images will be posted on Monday night. 
- Lakeville Road, Lake Success looking north.  To the left is Willie K’s. estate Deepdale.  Iron fencing along the estate.

If possible, relate this location to the Vanderbilt Cup Races.
1905 VCR

Identify the automobile and relate it to Tucker 1044.

When was the Mystery Foto likely taken?
- 1909

Not crazy! Same tree!

Great than and now pictures, well matched locations! You don’t have to be a tree expert either, nice to see.

I Identified the Franklin in the photo driving on Lakeville Rd. It is a 1914 Series 6 Touring. the 1913 and 1914 looks similar, but 1913 has right hand drive, 1914 has left hand drive like in the photo, also it has the same windshield but folded and it has electric lights and most likely has electric starter.

Found the first two pictures in a booklet promoting the Wayne Iron Works of Philadelphia.  Can anyone confirm the 3 miles of fences referenced were used at Willie K.‘s Deepdale or perhaps another of his estates?  A notation on the cover of the booklet says 1921, but picture could have been taken anytime.  Last picture is from the blog.

Art,
Possibly a coincidence, but doing a rough measurement of the size of the original Deepdale Estate grounds on Google Earth comes out to just about 3 1/2 miles. Also, the remnants that still exist today exactly match that Wayne Iron Works photo. If I was a gambler, I’d go with the advertisement photo as being Deepdale.

Here’s another tidbit about the fence around the Deepdale Estate.  Looks like Willie K. was very concerned about not being annoyed by the construction crew.  And at a cost to Willie of $60,000 I’m sure the crew didn’t mind.  Last paragraph pertains to his issues with the Lake Success village officials about access to the lake.  But that’s a whole other blog!

Just came across these photos and immediately made me think of the fence discussion from this mystery photo.

This is a older Mystery Photo that solved some time ago, But Greg O. bought up about fence issue, so I decided to bring up the car issue. The correct Franklin model is 1914 Series 6 Touring, that I had identified in April 26,2020 again, note the windshield and the small auxiliary lamps by the windshield matches in the old photo, the headlights? The second photo taken during Howard’s Tucker restoration at Ida Automotive open house, on the under the manifold and other things is this Franklin on this engine.